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	<description>Bitterness never tasted so sweet</description>
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		<title>By: Get a clue (train) about "Social Media Marketing" &#124; Tabled Ideas</title>
		<link>http://www.snipe.net/2009/06/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-social-media-marketer/comment-page-1/#comment-5165</link>
		<dc:creator>Get a clue (train) about "Social Media Marketing" &#124; Tabled Ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 15:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wrote an excellent, if slightly crass (you just need to know her) article about the concept of a Social Media Marketer. These are people who are supposed to be experts on social media, and are supposed to coordinate a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wrote an excellent, if slightly crass (you just need to know her) article about the concept of a Social Media Marketer. These are people who are supposed to be experts on social media, and are supposed to coordinate a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: snipe</title>
		<link>http://www.snipe.net/2009/06/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-social-media-marketer/comment-page-1/#comment-4886</link>
		<dc:creator>snipe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree - RS has done a great job of handling their Twitter account - I use them as a good example frequently. Many of their techs are following me (and vice versa), and the do an excellent job of maintaining the brand, being helpful to people who need it, and letting you see them as *people*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8211; RS has done a great job of handling their Twitter account &#8211; I use them as a good example frequently. Many of their techs are following me (and vice versa), and the do an excellent job of maintaining the brand, being helpful to people who need it, and letting you see them as *people*.</p>
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		<title>By: Althea Tremaine</title>
		<link>http://www.snipe.net/2009/06/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-social-media-marketer/comment-page-1/#comment-4885</link>
		<dc:creator>Althea Tremaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more. Social media should be part of the job, not A job. Moreover, I&#039;m so tired of these &quot;social media marketers&quot; who make themselves out to be the most social-media-savvy when in reality, their tweets could bore a dead man. People should follow Rackspace&#039;s lead! They&#039;ve truly set an example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more. Social media should be part of the job, not A job. Moreover, I&#8217;m so tired of these &#8220;social media marketers&#8221; who make themselves out to be the most social-media-savvy when in reality, their tweets could bore a dead man. People should follow Rackspace&#8217;s lead! They&#8217;ve truly set an example.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Fitzroy</title>
		<link>http://www.snipe.net/2009/06/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-social-media-marketer/comment-page-1/#comment-4872</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Fitzroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! The immediate interest of corporations around social media seems to be a vain attempt to wrestle control of &quot;the conversation&quot; back to where it was with traditional marketing. Of course that approach doesn&#039;t scale, but that won&#039;t stop a few &quot;thought leaders&quot; from making a buck before everyone realizes it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! The immediate interest of corporations around social media seems to be a vain attempt to wrestle control of &#8220;the conversation&#8221; back to where it was with traditional marketing. Of course that approach doesn&#8217;t scale, but that won&#8217;t stop a few &#8220;thought leaders&#8221; from making a buck before everyone realizes it.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.snipe.net/2009/06/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-social-media-marketer/comment-page-1/#comment-4848</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that companies shouldn&#039;t try to hire someone as a dedicated &quot;social media marketer&quot; &lt;em&gt;instead of&lt;/em&gt; having &quot;real&quot; employees engaged in social media.

However, I think there is still a place for a &quot;social media marketer&quot; inside companies of a certain size. There are a couple of things this person can do:

1) Manage the corporate accounts. Sure, @zappos is actually managed by the CEO, but I don&#039;t think that&#039;s what every company has to do. Twitter is simply a communication channel. It makes perfect sense to have a corporate account that&#039;s managed by a dedicated social media person. They can then direct people to others within the company as appropriate... sort of a Twitter receptionist, if you will. Facebook and LinkedIn both now have company pages. A lot of businesses set up MySpace pages for the business. Who&#039;s supposed to manage those?

2) Evangelize social media participation within the company. Not everyone who ought to be participating is participating. And while management has to publicly support/encourage social media participation, having someone who goes and talks to individuals and makes specific suggestions, or captures their stories, or helps them set up their accounts/profiles, etc., makes perfect sense and is NOT the job of the CEO.

3) Make suggestions for more effective engagement. Individuals shouldn&#039;t all be trying to keep up with all the new tools, sites, services, etc. Let a social media specialist do that and filter down to what&#039;s relevant and beneficial to the company.

So maybe the issue is with the job description, but I think there&#039;s definitely a need for a dedicated social media person at companies &quot;of a certain size&quot; (how big that is depends on the nature of your business, of course).

Oh, and regarding &quot;self-proclaimed social media gurus&quot;...

Yeah, there are some people that haven&#039;t earned it. But some of us have and aren&#039;t ashamed to claim it. Why? Because guess what... buyers who don&#039;t know any better are looking on Google (or LinkedIn, as the case may be) for &quot;social media experts&quot; or &quot;social media marketers&quot; or whatever.

It would be downright foolish NOT to lay claim to those terms. I&#039;ll deal with differentiating myself from the johnny-and-jenny-come-latelys once I get my foot in the door. Calling yourself a social media expert isn&#039;t ego, or pretentious, it&#039;s just smart SEO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that companies shouldn&#8217;t try to hire someone as a dedicated &#8220;social media marketer&#8221; <em>instead of</em> having &#8220;real&#8221; employees engaged in social media.</p>
<p>However, I think there is still a place for a &#8220;social media marketer&#8221; inside companies of a certain size. There are a couple of things this person can do:</p>
<p>1) Manage the corporate accounts. Sure, @zappos is actually managed by the CEO, but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what every company has to do. Twitter is simply a communication channel. It makes perfect sense to have a corporate account that&#8217;s managed by a dedicated social media person. They can then direct people to others within the company as appropriate&#8230; sort of a Twitter receptionist, if you will. Facebook and LinkedIn both now have company pages. A lot of businesses set up MySpace pages for the business. Who&#8217;s supposed to manage those?</p>
<p>2) Evangelize social media participation within the company. Not everyone who ought to be participating is participating. And while management has to publicly support/encourage social media participation, having someone who goes and talks to individuals and makes specific suggestions, or captures their stories, or helps them set up their accounts/profiles, etc., makes perfect sense and is NOT the job of the CEO.</p>
<p>3) Make suggestions for more effective engagement. Individuals shouldn&#8217;t all be trying to keep up with all the new tools, sites, services, etc. Let a social media specialist do that and filter down to what&#8217;s relevant and beneficial to the company.</p>
<p>So maybe the issue is with the job description, but I think there&#8217;s definitely a need for a dedicated social media person at companies &#8220;of a certain size&#8221; (how big that is depends on the nature of your business, of course).</p>
<p>Oh, and regarding &#8220;self-proclaimed social media gurus&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Yeah, there are some people that haven&#8217;t earned it. But some of us have and aren&#8217;t ashamed to claim it. Why? Because guess what&#8230; buyers who don&#8217;t know any better are looking on Google (or LinkedIn, as the case may be) for &#8220;social media experts&#8221; or &#8220;social media marketers&#8221; or whatever.</p>
<p>It would be downright foolish NOT to lay claim to those terms. I&#8217;ll deal with differentiating myself from the johnny-and-jenny-come-latelys once I get my foot in the door. Calling yourself a social media expert isn&#8217;t ego, or pretentious, it&#8217;s just smart SEO.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Lublin</title>
		<link>http://www.snipe.net/2009/06/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-social-media-marketer/comment-page-1/#comment-4847</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Lublin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really enjoyed your post, and your points are so well taken that and so insightful that I can&#039;t imagine disagreeing with them, though I think that an individual can be a social media marketer when they use social networks, social bookmarks, blogging, twitter and all of the other social media applications to connect with their customers in a genuine and effective manner. 

As far as being a guru or an expert or anything else, that&#039;s all nonsense in s &#039;new&#039; field, though some people have had more experience than others and some have meaningful insights to share - non of which rises to the level of a title , especially when its self-applied. As a female friend of mine is fond of saying &quot; Anytime a woman says she&#039;s hot - she&#039;s probably not!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really enjoyed your post, and your points are so well taken that and so insightful that I can&#8217;t imagine disagreeing with them, though I think that an individual can be a social media marketer when they use social networks, social bookmarks, blogging, twitter and all of the other social media applications to connect with their customers in a genuine and effective manner. </p>
<p>As far as being a guru or an expert or anything else, that&#8217;s all nonsense in s &#8216;new&#8217; field, though some people have had more experience than others and some have meaningful insights to share &#8211; non of which rises to the level of a title , especially when its self-applied. As a female friend of mine is fond of saying &#8221; Anytime a woman says she&#8217;s hot &#8211; she&#8217;s probably not!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: snipe</title>
		<link>http://www.snipe.net/2009/06/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-social-media-marketer/comment-page-1/#comment-4843</link>
		<dc:creator>snipe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toby - please note, I said there was no such thing as a social media marketer, not that there was no such thing as social media marketing. There is a difference, and I choose my words carefully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toby &#8211; please note, I said there was no such thing as a social media marketer, not that there was no such thing as social media marketing. There is a difference, and I choose my words carefully.</p>
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		<title>By: toby</title>
		<link>http://www.snipe.net/2009/06/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-social-media-marketer/comment-page-1/#comment-4841</link>
		<dc:creator>toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear snipe - yes, there is such a thing called social media marketing just as there is marketing research, interactive, advertising, pr, promotions, customer service, branding, etc. etc. etc. perhaps the fairy dust is what helps integrate all into a strategic marketing plan built on understanding customer needs, knowing where customers hang out and being true to brand values. loved your douchebag offer. wondering how many sales you got!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear snipe &#8211; yes, there is such a thing called social media marketing just as there is marketing research, interactive, advertising, pr, promotions, customer service, branding, etc. etc. etc. perhaps the fairy dust is what helps integrate all into a strategic marketing plan built on understanding customer needs, knowing where customers hang out and being true to brand values. loved your douchebag offer. wondering how many sales you got!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Culbertson</title>
		<link>http://www.snipe.net/2009/06/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-social-media-marketer/comment-page-1/#comment-4834</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Culbertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Digistar,

I don&#039;t think that email is dead or even dying, it just needs to be reinvented (it&#039;s still the #1 daily activity, forget the &quot;social media is more popular than email&quot; hype.)

Have you checked out Google Wave? That looks like a feasible future direction to me - unified messaging built around a topic. Almost like a built-on-the-fly highly personalized message thread. Come to think of it, CompuServe invented that idea too! Back in 1996 or so, CompuServe was working a on &quot;super forum&quot; project code-named Veda (Sanskrit for wisdom) that would have tightly integrated email with Forums. It got killed during the dark days before AOL took over. Everything old is new again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Digistar,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that email is dead or even dying, it just needs to be reinvented (it&#8217;s still the #1 daily activity, forget the &#8220;social media is more popular than email&#8221; hype.)</p>
<p>Have you checked out Google Wave? That looks like a feasible future direction to me &#8211; unified messaging built around a topic. Almost like a built-on-the-fly highly personalized message thread. Come to think of it, CompuServe invented that idea too! Back in 1996 or so, CompuServe was working a on &#8220;super forum&#8221; project code-named Veda (Sanskrit for wisdom) that would have tightly integrated email with Forums. It got killed during the dark days before AOL took over. Everything old is new again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James Wu</title>
		<link>http://www.snipe.net/2009/06/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-social-media-marketer/comment-page-1/#comment-4831</link>
		<dc:creator>James Wu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to say thanks for the great post ! Found your blog on Google and I&#039;m happy I did. I&#039;ll be reading you on a regular basis ! Thanks again :)
Thanks,
Donna</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to say thanks for the great post ! Found your blog on Google and I&#8217;m happy I did. I&#8217;ll be reading you on a regular basis ! Thanks again <img src='http://www.snipe.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Thanks,<br />
Donna</p>
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